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bookworm
02-17-2009, 08:17 PM
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Your FaceBook Data is FaceBooks' Too, and Forever...

A recent revision to Facebook's Terms of Service has many observers up in arms, and I don't blame them. Here's the interesting passage:

'You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your web site and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof. You represent and warrant that you have all rights and permissions to grant the foregoing licenses.'

So they get to use whatever you post, or license 3rd parties to do so, even after you quit.

According to The Consumerist, the terms used to include a clause that said Facebook's license to use your content expired when you quit the service. The rest of the "we own your content" stuff was there before too. The most recent version of the TOS that I can find on the Internet Wayback Machine is from October, 2007. Here's the relevant passage from then:

'By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content.'

I'd call that less evil, but not by much.

The Consumerist piece has many other surprising quotes from the TOS; for instance, you agree to binding arbitration with them.

A blog entry by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg claims that they're not trying to own your content, they're just trying to legally protect themselves. Personally, I don't think this position can be defended based on the TOS language. They could have written something far less onerous into the TOS if they were just trying to protect themselves. Facebook may claim that "We have never claimed ownership" of members' content, but look up at the TOS language again: that's exactly what they are claiming.

But the moral of it all is that when you post something on Facebook you have to assume it's not yours anymore and that it could be used anywhere and by anyone.

Dude
02-17-2009, 08:23 PM
From now on I am not putting any more of my pulitzer prize winning stuff on face book. :D

Webscout
02-17-2009, 08:35 PM
If I put my face on a book...I want to get paid......for them to take it off.

I can't blame you Elmer. If I had 'Pulitzer prize winning stuff' I would put it on Ebay.

bookworm
02-17-2009, 09:38 PM
As many of you may know, there are many artists, musicians, and actors who have Facebook accounts for public consumption. I guess they are not excluded. As for me, I've never had a Facebook account and never will: I make friends the old fashioned way, I meet them face-to-face and develop relationships, ol' skool....

Rita
02-18-2009, 04:00 AM
Well those nude pictures of me can come off.

Dude
02-18-2009, 10:47 AM
be careful Rita, you could be losing millions by posting your pictures for free.

nopuxsucks
02-18-2009, 11:11 AM
I posted nude pics of me....
Got banned and the site crashed
and my monitor exploded....
musta been too hot....

bookworm
02-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Facebook Reverts Terms of Service After Complaints
February 18th, 2009

It’s been an eventful week for Facebook’s execs and legal team. Two weeks after the company released an updated Terms of Service, the company has decided to temporarily revert its Terms of Service to the previous version after complaints from some users and privacy advocates while a new document is drafted.

Writing in the Facebook blog again today, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said,

"Many of us at Facebook spent most of today discussing how best to move forward. One approach would have been to quickly amend the new terms with new language to clarify our positions further. Another approach was simply to revert to our old terms while we begin working on our next version. As we thought through this, we reached out to respected organizations to get their input.

Going forward, we’ve decided to take a new approach towards developing our terms. We concluded that returning to our previous terms was the right thing for now. As I said yesterday, we think that a lot of the language in our terms is overly formal and protective so we don’t plan to leave it there for long.

More than 175 million people use Facebook. If it were a country, it would be the sixth most populated country in the world. Our terms aren’t just a document that protect our rights; it’s the governing document for how the service is used by everyone across the world. Given its importance, we need to make sure the terms reflect the principles and values of the people using the service.

Our next version will be a substantial revision from where we are now. It will reflect the principles I described yesterday around how people share and control their information, and it will be written clearly in language everyone can understand. Since this will be the governing document that we’ll all live by, Facebook users will have a lot of input in crafting these terms."

Facebook has created the Facebook group Facebook Bill of Rights and Responsibilities for users to give input about the site’s terms.

Concerns about the updated terms of service have largely revolved around the “Licenses” section, which gave Facebook a broad set of rights regarding content users publish to the service - even if they delete their account. It read:

'You are solely responsible for the User Content that you Post on or through the Facebook Service. You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof.

As a result of these concerns, the Electronic Privacy Information Center yesterday announced it was going to file a complaint with the FTC requesting Facebook revert its terms of service. In addition, almost 70,000 Facebook users joined a Facebook group called "People Against the New Terms of Service."'

For now, Facebook’s TOS is back to the version it had published before the February 4th change - “which was what most people asked us for and was the recommendation of the outside experts we consulted,” Zuckerberg says. In the meantime, Facebook will be working through the complex challenges of reflecting the “principles and values” of its 175 million global members - as well as its corporate counsel - in one document.